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The rules of engagement

If there is no room for restraint, judgment, among Marines, or any soldier, even in a hostile situation, then you draw no line between "war" and atrocity.

And if you do see such a line, then where does that line start?

If you concede there is a line, then you must entertain exceptions to your blanket statement that anytime a Marine is fired upon, "it's them or the person firing."

For example, if firing back results in the loss of innocent life, is that war or attrocity? How many people are soldiers (or nations for that matter) allowed to kill once fired upon before it becomes an atrocity?

On the theory that Marines can never be in the wrong when in a hostile situation, you might want to refresh your memory with the facts from this story in Editor & Publisher:

... The 11th Infantry-Brigade went into My Lai at 7 a.m. on March 16. Military intelligence led the company to believe there would be no resistance, but once there the group got reports that their gunships were receiving fire. 1st Lt. William L. Calley Jr., one of the platoon leaders, relayed an order to "clear the area."

Accounts at the time differed widely about what happened, but by the end of the day, My Lai was indeed cleared of its inhabitants.

... According to a Nov. 20, 2005 Marine communiqué, the Marines received fire from insurgents in Haditha, and returned fire themselves. Once the battle ended, 15 civilians were dead. However, this story was soon challenged by allegations that the Marines killed civilians in reprisal for the death of Terrazas. After a preliminary investigation in February 2006 caused Marine officials to doubt the original communiqué, the military announced that the civilians had been shot dead and were not killed by the IED blast as previously stated.

In both the case of Haditha and My Lai, the soldiers involved were clearly in-country under incredible stress in hostile situations where bullets were flying at them every day.

Under your theory of "all bets are off," you should be able to justify the massacres. Are you willing to go that far?

Or are you willing to admit that your rules of engagement have some blind spots?

"To save your world you asked this man to die; would this man, could he see you now, ask why?" — W. H. Auden

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