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Glad you posted that Feingold statement. hadn't heard it. I saw the interview where he was saying essentially that it was outrageous there was spying on Americans, that it can't be permitted, etcetera. Which I called stupid two threads back. Because he's on the committee that should know these things and has had multo time to create effective oversight.

But I also realize he's precluded from saying We've been doing this to you for nearly four decades and we can't control it, it's got away from us, and now we have commercial concerns doing it for us that we dont know how to regulate

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To use Andrew Sullivan's schtick, the 'money quote' in your post is: "I've concluded that a much bigger problem in the USA than any piece of legislation passed by Congress is the petrified manner in which so many Americans define and limit their participation in current events."

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