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Reporter's Notebook: Don Henry Ford Jr.

Poverty, South of the Border

The drug trade is only one of many problems we now face in this world and is in itself a product of unfair business practices, both in the United States and in other countries of the world.

There are too many places where workers, if they can find a job at all, are forced to work for wages that will not provide an acceptable standard of living. And in each of these countries, others make unbelievably large amounts of money for their “contributions” to society.
This is not a new condition; this way of life supercedes whatever kind of government that happens to be in place, for these systems are just guidelines and disreputable people figure out how to make the rules work for themselves at the expense of others, regardless of what guidelines exist.

I look around. Democracy. Capitalism. Communism. Socialism. What’s the difference? In reality the same fat cats live off of the blood of the rest in all of them.

Right now, about half of the world is working for $2 a day or less. I hear the old line, “But it’s cheaper to live over there.”

Bullshit. Take Mexico for example. Meat is worth the equivalent of $3/lb. A good pair of boots cost $100. Cars cost as much or more than they do in the United States. Fuel is high. And the average worker is probably making around $5 or $6 a day.

To be sure, you can buy beans and tortillas cheaper than you can here in the US, but not much else.

I don’t know what to do about all of this. But one thing is sure. We cannot hide from it. So we must put it out there, again and again and force people to take a look.

I hate that my country has become some gated community and that we now feel like we have to get ours at the expense of others rather than truly trying to help others improve their lot in life.

Save me the rhetoric about spreading democracy. These folks need food, shelter, medicines, education; you can’t eat democracy. They need these bloodsucking corporations to get off of their backs and to share in the profits. They need to be free to dress as they wish and worship as they like.

Killing a bunch of them does not accomplish this.

We need to identify the bastards feasting off of these people and do something to stop them. Free trade? What’s that mean? The right to screw people from other countries out of their labor?

Scott Carrier did a piece along with Julian Cardona and Charles Bowden on Day 2 Day, a NPR program that airs regularly over the radio. He speaks of Juarez, where unbridled free trade has been practiced for a number of years and challenges us to look and see what the future holds in store for us if this practice continues. Bowden and Cardona also published a book called, Juarez, the laboratory of our future worth a look if you get the chance.

Check it out.

Perhaps if we weren’t so busy screwing everybody with “legitimate business practices”, the drug trade would not be so inviting.

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Poverty South of the Northern Border

I live in a beautiful valley, nested in the mountains, below Canada, and people here are mostly poor.

I attended an economic meeting, the first meeting of the year. I'm not formally on this comittee, but attended nonetheless.

We introduced ourselves and explained why we were there. I said that I was there because people that lack good economic opportunities are more easily lured by the profits of illegal drug markets. If we wanted to see declining drug activity, we'd do well to address our economic problems, not just build more prisons.

In our area, we have real cheap underware at Wal*Mart, a declining downtown that looks presentable, and jobs harder to come by. Out of towners, fleeing urban scenes, drive up the cost of property with endless land speculation. They call their newly acquired property - retirement homes. Our kids are forced out - by property values they can't afford, on the wages that keep disappearing, while the better-offs of other regions, come here to get more better-off.

Last winter I bought some apples on the way out of town at a local grocer. Later the same night, I was in a street market in downtown Seattle, and the same apples, grown on the other side of a big state (where I live) -- were cheaper. People make more money over there, but apples grown here, cost less over there, where they make more money.

I'm determined to understand why that is, and next autumn, pay a fair price for local apples at my local grocer.

Corporate Agribusiness + Unfair Wealth = Hunger

A short article published today by CommonDreams.org about hunger in Missoula, Montana, by Richard Manning may help Nora's quest to understand local economic perverseness with Manning's discussion of the global business of buying and selling food.

It has become increasingly difficult to work at small-town food banks because often one knows the client not as a beggar from beneath the bridge, but as a neighbor or colleague.  Food banks today cater increasingly -- and a sociologist’s survey of our town bore this out -- to people who are employed, the class we now call the working poor.

These people earn so little they barely get by.  Catastrophic medical bills or Missoula’s escalating housing costs can chew up their inadequate paychecks so that by the end of the month there is no money left for food.

If we are to really do anything about the shameful matter of hunger in our town, we must address these larger issues.  What at first looked like a little hole to plug now appears to be a bottomless chasm, ever widening.

There is something fundamental buried in all of this: where these people work. Many of them, report the food bank people, work full time for minimum wage and no health insurance at the ring of chain stores that has suburbanized this once unique mountain town.  The big-box retail business has exploded in Missoula, making us a regional market center, part of the cause of our prosperity.  That is, hunger is increasing in our town not in spite of our healthy economy, but because of it.

Hunger in America is no longer a matter of falling through the cracks, of happenstance and misfortune. Hunger has been institutionalized as a part of the economic fabric, including especially the business of selling food.

For those who "fell through the cracks," of course, hunger was never a happenstance matter.  A system in which a few have a lot and the many have little requires that some go without anything to maintain hierarchy and discipline.

Manning goes on to mention supermarket chains  across Latin America, often owned by the same corporations that own U.S., Canadian, and European supermarkets, which are shutting out small farms destroying the local markets that used to sell the farmers’ products.

(Two of my big hopes for the not-yet-existent organization People Who Give a Damn are to argue economic issues from the perspective of fairness, including the unfair advantages bestowed on large corporations that have nothing to do with skill or service or quality or any legitimate competitive edge, and to redirect our donated social-welfare resources to radical service organizations where a bag of groceries comes with a critique of the economic system that's got you going to a food pantry and a plan of action to change it.)

What Is "Poverty"?

It's true that the "cost of living" - monetarily speaking - is not as low in Mexico as many gringos presume. Interestingly, it's the much lower cost of booze and cigarettes that leads many vacationers to that assumption.

But I want to echo a bit of what Nora wrote and add my own devalued two cents.

Discussions of "poverty" in "other countries" always remind me of a famous statement by Robert F. Kennedy when he ran for president in 1968.

RFK was speaking of the term "Gross National Product" - that which measures the economic "might" of the United States.

He said:

Our gross national product ... if we should judge America by that - counts air pollution and cigarette advertising, and ambulances to clear our highways of carnage. It counts special locks for our doors and the jails for those who break them. It counts the destruction of our redwoods and the loss of our natural wonder in chaotic sprawl. It counts napalm and the cost of a nuclear warhead, and armored cars for police who fight riots in our streets. It counts Whitman's rifle and Speck's knife, and the television programs which glorify violence in order to sell toys to our children.

"Yet the gross national product does not allow for the health of our children, the quality of their education, or the joy of their play. It does not include the beauty of our poetry or the strength of our marriages; the intelligence of our public debate or the integrity of our public officials. It measures neither our wit nor our courage; neither our wisdom nor our learning; neither our compassion nor our devotion to our country; it measures everything, in short, except that which makes life worthwhile. And it tells us everything about America except why we are proud that we are Americans."

To me, "poverty" involves much more than lack of money. When a penniless person can dance, sing, enjoy the company of others, and love, while the "economically comfortable" person simply has little time for any of it, who is the poorer?

The poverty North of the Border for many is economic. But for those who are above that "poverty line" there are poverties of spirit, of principle, of human kindness, of common sense...

As I travel around the southern ports of this "country called América - something I've been doing fulltime for almost eight years now - I don't feel sorry for the people down here. To the contrary: every day I feel more and more sorry for those "up there," who may live and die never knowing what it is to live, what it is to know authenticity, what it is to "be human."

As for drugs and drug wars, why do we think it is that the population in the "wealthy" country has a much higher rate of drug abuse than that in "poorer" countries? It has to do with these other kinds of poverty.

The Poverty of High Income Countries: the data

Al speaks, and Submerging Markets publishes a veritable term paper on the subject.  Income doesn't equal happiness, and social scientists have put this in figures.  From James S. Henry's latest article, "Maximizing Gross National Happiness":

since the late 1940s, increased real income levels among First World countries have been accompanied by rising levels of alcoholism and drug addiction, depression, and crime  -- an indication of a growing gap between trends in income and happiness.

And:

Measured income has much less impact on subjective happiness than many other determinants of happiness --  especially employment, job security, family status,  and health.

The idea that income no matter who has it – the per capita gross domestic product – is the determinant of the public good is a creation of (you guessed it) neoliberal economics.  (I've got a half-started college thesis arguing that unequal incomes even hurt straight GDP, and certainly the neoliberal policies imposed on other nations hurts economic growth, but the larger truth is the one captured by Robert Kennedy above: the GDP doesn't measure the most important determinants of quality of life.)  The sad news about happiness from the Henry's article is how a lot of reported happiness is based on having, if not a lot, more: more than your neighbors or countrymen, more than you had a little while ago.

But to come down off the data, there are a lot of people in my area working two or three jobs to get by.  Many are immigrants, most are not.  This is in the wealthy northeast United States, within the economic sphere of Boston.  Sears, which made Martha Stewart richer again by buying K-Mart, works my friend Ian – who makes good money (on commission) 'selling people stuff they think they need because their neighbors have it' – 37 to 39 hours a week so as to not to have to give him full time status and health insurance.  He doesn't have the cash to go to the dentist for impacted molars.  Another high school friend who graduated from Harvard went over a year before finding work in his field, computer science.  Much of the top of my high school class had similar experiences.  If we have it the best, starting out with high grades and SAT scores from a suburban town with a desired school system, what the hell does this system do to everybody else?  The inefficiency and greed of the global economy, even in the most productive city regions of the first world, in wasting people's skills and energy, results directly in less satisfied people.

And my computer science degree friend would have been happy as a teacher, but his dad paid for Harvard and wouldn't accept his son working for that money.  By and large, capitalism rewards people best for directly increasing capital.  With extreme inequality, that means doing tasks that add to the wealth of a tiny minority more than doing things that help your friends, neighbors, yourself, or people in general.  The work is likely to be the most disconnected from our fellow human beings, the least fulfilling for those of us with souls.

I'm not saying people in the U.S. don't have it better than people in the rest of the Americas.  I'm just saying it's bad here, too.

Measuring wealth

Ah yes, and 'income' doesn't mean wealth. In the US economist's measure money spent as 'good' spending. But, when a married couple divorces, it drives up the 'national product,' attorneys make good, now there is another house rented, two utility bills instead of one, etc.

What happens when a person is diagnosed with cancer? The gross domestic product goes up as medical bills come in. Hey, those people in the United States are doing great, look at all the money they are spending!

On what? For what?

Henry on "Gross National Happiness"

As an indication that this discussion is happening in other places, too, James S. Henry today posted a most interesting analysis of the paucity of "leading economic indicators" in measuring what he calls the "Gross National Happiness" of a nation.

Henry vets the findings of some present-day heretical economists:who challenge the conventional view that more money equals more happiness.

Among their findings, he says:

Beyond a certain level of per capita measured income -- about $15,000 per year -- reported happiness levels don't improve very much across countries. There is also a great deal of variation in reported subjective happiness levels poorer countries at similar income levels. In other words, making "measured growth" the sine qua non of economic policy makes little sense.

And...

High-income groups report somewhat higher "very happy" levels within countries at any given point in time. But among First World countries,  increases in average real per capita income have not led to increased happiness levels over time.

And, of particular interest to our beat of the drug war...

Indeed, since the late 1940s, increased real income levels among First World countries have been accompanied by rising levels of alcoholism and drug addiction, depression, and crime  -- an indication of a growing gap between trends in income and happiness.

And...

Changes in real income may lead to short-time increases in subjective happiness at the individual level.  But people become "habituated" to new levels of material income quickly -- in less than a year. Since they also tend to underestimate such "habituation" effects, they probably also spend too much time on the job, and too little time with their families.

Read the whole thing. It's brilliant.

I spent a couple of my teenage years in Ecuador

I saw three year old children that couldn't walk for lack of nutrition. Then I saw what happened when my mom gave a family a loaf of bread and a liter of milk a day.

To be sure, the excess luxury we now enjoy in the United States is a crime and a sin when others do without basic needs.

I remember a gardener. An indian. I tried to show him how to assemble a puzzle. He forced pieces of differing colors and patterns where they would not fit. No matter how I tried, I could not teach him this concept, for he had missed out. Not one nutritious meal, but nearly all of them. Not one day in school, but an entire education.

There were many others like him down there, without a clue of the way this modern world works. They serve as fodder for this thing called a new world economy. Democracy is useless to them. They can't make sound decisions on their own behalf.

What should they do? Chunk spears at a F-16 barreling down on their ass?

Central and South American countries have a history of oppression and repression of the indiginous peoples also, a history not unlike that of the United States, but of their own making. It continues to this day.

And these indiginous people are defenseless.

It is up to us that can understand and do know how things work to defend these people or some day you will look up and say, "Remember when there were Aucas in Ecuador?"

Communication Across Cultures

Don Henry writes:

"I remember a gardener. An indian. I tried to show him how to assemble a puzzle. He forced pieces of differing colors and patterns where they would not fit. No matter how I tried, I could not teach him this concept, for he had missed out. Not one nutritious meal, but nearly all of them. Not one day in school, but an entire education.

"There were many others like him down there, without a clue of the way this modern world works. They serve as fodder for this thing called a new world economy. Democracy is useless to them. They can't make sound decisions on their own behalf..."

Al comments:

Have you ever met someone who could put together a puzzle? Or someone who could put together an entire computer system? (That is something I, for one, cannot do.) Have you met a technical wizard who nonetheless has no skills for relating to other humans, who has no common sense, whose politics are narrow and ignorant and hapless?

The world is full of such people.

Likewise, have you ever met someone who could not read or write, who never went to school, who was often hungry, or who suffered from a debilitating physical condition or handicap, but who nonetheless was kind, empathetic, and who had street smarts?

Our world is also full of such people.

I just do not make the leap between "unable to do a puzzle" and "unable to do democracy."

Every day, "educated" people complete the very difficult New York Times crossword puzzle. Many of them believe that Iraq had WMDs, or was responsible for 9/11, and that a war of occupation is justified.

How are they any better able to practice democracy than your guy in Ecuador who didn't understand a puzzle?

The truth is, they're not.

I was talking last night with a young Mexican woman who accompanied a caravan through Central America last year and interviewed more than 70 citizens at length about the complicated megaproject called "Plan Puebla Panama," which is basically a project aimed at more efficient looting of natural and human resources in the farmlands, mines, and jungles of the region, and bringing those products more efficiently and cheaply to the North.

She observed, based on these interviews, that the rural, indigenous, "uneducated" (by U.S. standards) people displayed a much better understanding, in general, of the megaproject and what it would do to them than the university professors and students in the college towns and cities where the caravan also stopped to conduct interviews.

I myself have had similar experiences hundreds of times. I remember one day in Chiapas years ago, conversing with a peasant farmer who could not read or write, who suffered from a curable parasite infection without access to basic medicine, and listening to him explain brilliantly how his community had organized to create an alternative government to that offered by the Mexican state. At one point a parasite worm crawled out of his mouth as he was speaking. It came out of his mouth with words that revealed a better understanding of democracy than I have heard from most "educated" and "healthy" people.

So, based on my experience, I reject the idea that if someone is sick, if someone is hungry, if someone can't read or write or do a puzzle, that he or she is less able to practice democracy than those who can do all those things and more.

In Ecuador, in particular, as Narco News has reported, the indigenous and social movements took down a corrupt government just a few years ago, and elected their own choice as president. That choice soon became corrupted, sold out his country to foreign interests, and the indigenous groups were the first to withdraw from his government and now lead the battle to take back their country. I bet not many have ever seen a puzzle or could figure other such things out that are so foreign to their native experience.  But they sure know how to practice democracy! And they so far do it better than their "educated" neighbors near and far.

True democracy

is one thing. But what we call democracy quite another.

Democracy as it exists in the real world is easily exploited. People are fed lies and half-truths, manipulated like sheep headed to slaughter.

The leaders of tribes of American Indians knew they were being screwed. And got screwed nonetheless. Many of the few that are left huddle in arid pieces of wasteland called reservations, drinking themselves to death.

Your Indian knows he's getting screwed. But he will continue to get screwed nonetheless. And continue to suffer from treatable disease.

That's the reason they turn to raising and selling drugs. Because in the legal system they lose every time. About the time they stand poised to win, we change the rules.

If the drugs he raises were made legal, that would be one more area in which he would lose.

I saw the Colombian army operating out of Puerto Acis (sp?), as they prepared to wipe out the Indians. Do you think these Indians could have voted their way out of that fate? Or that the fat cats sitting up in Bogota cared what happened to them?

It is not the fault of your Indian for the position in which he finds himself. It is the fault of those who put him there, those that destroyed his natural resources and stole the profits.

In North America it may have been the buffalo we wiped out to destroy these people. Perhaps in South America is was the forest in which they lived.

In either event it is no longer possible for these indigenous people to live as they once did.

We have been conditioned

frm birth to believe that Democracy is the answer to all.

I no longer believe it.

Communism also sounds good in theory. Or socialism.

But the reality of countries where all of these are practiced is much the same. Predators taking advantage of the masses.

Don't forget--Jesus Christ was put to death by the vote of his own people.

Poverty and debilitation, strength of spirit

Ford's description of indiginous people as defenseless bothered me, and I flat out disagreed with his statement that malnutrition and no education made one unable to make sound decisions on one's own behalf, so I took a pass on rating it, figuring I'd let someone else take the tough work.

When I saw that no one had rated it yet, I felt I had to do so, because the description of poverty and need and apparent powerlessness is an important counterbalance to my own descriptions, from my experiences, of how life in the priveleged north has significant problems of its own.

I also felt I would need to comment on it, but fortunately  Al Giordano already had (and he has direct experiences of his own to tell, in some of the most powerful writing I've read on this site (and that's saying a lot).

I just want to add one more thing, in the equating of power with parity in weaponry.  No, throwing spears at fighter jets won't work.  But sometimes, if we the people create the right conditions, [http://www.narconews.com/Issue34/article1084.html throwing paper airplanes into an air force base just might.  Yes, the murderous machinery of modern war is a grave threat, but it's not one we the poor will ever hope to meet on its terms, and it is far, far from the only thing determining power.

In Colombia where the leftist guerillas have weapons and years of experience in waging battle against the government and its paramilitaries, toxic mixes of herbicides are sprayed from the air and peasants are displaced en masse.

In Bolivia, where the people on the front lines of the gas, water, and coca wars often said their only weapons were their bodies, eradication is carried out by hand and the legal cultivation of coca on their lands has been won and re-won.  "The drug war in Bolivia has hit a brick wall," Reed Lindsay wrote for Narco News in early 2003.  It's started up and all but stopped again since then.  This on-the-ground eradication can still have a awful human cost, but the difference in scale of oppression and suffering from Colombia is breathtaking.

The reason for this is that the social movements in Bolivia have greater power, even as they have less weaponry.  The reason for this greater power is what I want to fully understand.

We have everything to learn from the indigineous.  But as Don Henry points out, we in the north also have a terrifying responsibility to use our position of relative privelege to help the poor of the south.  But we must listen and help them on their terms.

Strength & democracy in poverty & weakness

Ford's description of indiginous people as defenseless bothered me, and I flat out disagreed with his statement that malnutrition and no education made one unable to make sound decisions on one's own behalf, so I took a pass on rating it, figuring I'd let someone else take the tough work.

When I saw that no one had rated it yet, I felt I had to do so, because the description of poverty and need and apparent powerlessness is an important counterbalance to my own descriptions, from my experiences, of how life in the priveleged north has significant problems of its own.

I also felt I would need to comment on it, but fortunately  Al Giordano already had (above), and he has direct experiences of his own to tell, in some of the most powerful writing I've read on this site (and that's saying a lot).

I just want to add one more thing, in the equating of power with parity in weaponry.  No, throwing spears at fighter jets won't work.  But sometimes, if we the people create the right conditions, throwing paper airplanes into an air force base just might.  Yes, the murderous machinery of modern war is a grave threat, but it's not one we the poor will ever hope to meet on its terms, and it is far, far from the only thing determining power.

In Colombia where the leftist guerillas have weapons and years of experience in waging battle against the government and its paramilitaries, toxic mixes of herbicides are sprayed from the air and peasants are displaced en masse.

In Bolivia, where the people on the front lines of the gas, water, and coca wars often said their only weapons were their bodies, eradication is carried out by hand and the legal cultivation of coca on their lands has been won and re-won.  "The drug war in Bolivia has hit a brick wall," Reed Lindsay wrote for Narco News in early 2003.  It's started up and all but stopped again since then.  This on-the-ground eradication can still have a awful human cost, but the difference in scale of oppression and suffering from Colombia is breathtaking.

The reason for this is that the social movements in Bolivia have greater power, even as they have less weaponry.  The reason for this greater power is what I want to fully understand.

We have everything to learn from the indigineous.  But as Don Henry points out, we in the north also have a terrifying responsibility to use our position of relative privelege to help the poor of the south.  But we must listen and help them on their terms.

Heiarchy of needs

When thirsty, it's hard to think of anything but getting a drink of water. When hungry, acquiring food becomes the obsession. When sick, getting well. When cold, the warmth of a fire.

Only when these needs are met can people look up and consider the big picture.

I know there are exceptions, the Indian spitting out the worm is certainly one of them, but as a rule, that's they way it works for the masses.

Most of the people in South America that raise hell are looking for some oil to fuel their fire and a little food for their plate.

They know their resources are being stolen but they don't know how to stop it from happening. If they do figure out how, then something similar to the fate of Mr. Aristide awaits whatever leader shows them the way.

I don't have the solution, but I am sure it will take more than the right to vote to cure these ills.

that's the optimistic view

The hierarchy of needs is the optimistic view.

The pessimistic view is that when people's needs are met, they stop caring about anything.  Many have argued, if not taking Maslow's hierarchy as their foil, that this stagnation has taken place in the United States.  This may have in part to do with the "creation of needs" by advertising, but the forces that keeps the workers of the wealthy countries running on the treadmill are a lot more than consumer playthings.

I still believe the optimistic view, that people raise their horizons to what they can build and do for each other as they meet ever-higher-level needs, but with a big proviso.  I think the needs must be met with our own communal hand or fully won.  Needs met only by participation in the system -- the radical labor organizers call it wage slavery -- mean all our energies must stay on staying in and supporting the system.

The fact remains that there seem to be people in the global south and especially Latin America who -- whether because their need is greater or their foundations firmer -- are better able to envision and even build democracy than my neighbors in the north.  What is democracy if not first ensuring the security, justice, and liberty of "fire and a little food for their plate"?

The idea that killed the empire

I don't have the solution, but I am sure it will take more than the right to vote to cure these ills.

Two points on the statement above and on the prior posts concerning teaching someone how to put a puzzle together.

First, don’t confuse intelligence with education. I can tell you firsthand they are very different. A Spanish-only speaker moves to the states. He’s the next Einstein, but because of cultural biases, he is forced to do all of his math work in English – never mind that math is the same whether instructions are given in English or Spanish. As a result, the kid’s genius is never recognized and he is held back and thereafter tracked by the school system into programs for slow learners. He loses interest in school and drops out before finishing high school. It happens. I will tell you on a personal note that all my “education” meant jack squat this summer when I went to Bolivia and couldn’t speak the language. I had to rely on my intelligence to survive the experience – and the good graces of many friends.

On a broader scale, white Europeans “conquered” North America in less than a century because of superior weapons intelligence. However, a little more than a century later, the white man had wiped out entire species of animals, polluted the lakes and rivers, and fouled the air to the point where people get sick and die. However, Native Americans, using a different form of intelligence more in harmony with the Earth, had previously sustained themselves on the land for thousands of years in North America without bringing the wrath of nature upon them. Who is really the more “intelligent” people?

Maybe the individual who couldn’t put the puzzle together had something to teach that you, too, couldn’t figure out?

On the other point, concerning “it will take more than the right to vote.”  I agree, but then democracy isn’t just about voting; it’s also about making sure your vote, your voice, counts – that’s the struggle.

Think about what history teaches us. All empires fall, which is a fact the elite oligarchs know well and fear most. Egypt, Greece, Rome, England, to name a few, all built empires that have since crumbled. And ironically, in many cases, it was the so-called “inferior people,” or “barbarians” who drove the final stake into the empire's heart and then stepped in to rebuild the fallen empire. (What would you call the soldiers of the U.S. Revolution if they had lost the war?)

So I would suggest that the elite have far more to fear from the barbarians than they do from democracy. Democracy is the one trend emerging in recent empires – albeit far from perfected in any – that offers a glimmer of hope that the next empire might not be built by an elite caste on the backs of the masses, that it might not be an empire at all, but rather a participatory society.

In any event, the existing empire is now crumbling; you can feel the ground quake and hear the whistle coming down the tracks if you pay close attention. It is crumbling from within because of mounting economic, social and cultural fractures that are producing extreme paranoia and polarization (enabled by greedy, corrupt leadership); it is crumbling due to a militaristic policy that, left unchecked, will eventually bankrupt the empire financially and spiritually; it is crumbling from the outside under pressure from the new barbarians – terrorists being only the tip of that spear.

Imperialism is doomed to die a death of a thousand cuts.

The only hope the elite have is to embrace democracy and accept their new plight in that course of life -- which will be far better course than suppressing real democracy and ending up buried in the rubble of their fallen empire. Many will be too stupid to realize this (in the intelligence sense of the word); but some will see the light.

Because you know what happens to royalty when they no longer are deemed royal … history is littered with their corpses.

I’m not talking about some kind of fundamentalist Christian-wigged apocalypse here; I’m talking about the normal course of history -- the fact that this too shall pass, and something new will come this way. I may not live to see it happen, but I suspect my kids will, or their kids, so that’s why I wage the fight. That “Indian with the worm coming out of his mouth” is a metaphor for all of this, you know. That parasite may well kill him, but it will only kill a man; it can never kill his ideas. Ask the spirit of Che Guevera about that when you bump into one of his ideas down the road….

We destroyed their world

and have forced them to operate in ours.

When I say we, I am not speaking only of the United States, but the invasion of Europeons as a whole.

Do you think Spanish is a native tongue of anyone idigenous to North or South America? Or English?

I do understand the difference between intelligence and education. But I also know from having studied IQ that an intregal part of intelligence can be traced back to an adequate diet during formative years.

I am telling you that these people are defenseless.

We screwed the Indians in North America with shiny beads, lies, and whiskey. When that didn't work, we killed them. Same thing happened and continues to happen in Central and South America.

If things are so great down there, why have almost half of working age Ecuadorians spent all they could get their hands on to illegally immigrate to first-world countries? Why do Mexicans line up at the border and pay fifteen hundred dollars apiece for the right to risk their lives crossing the desert for a job cleaning our toilets, butchering our animals, or picking our fruits and vegetables?

These countries survive on money generated by the sale of illegal drugs, the money sent home by illegal workers in the United States, and people like yourselves that spend money down there as tourists (that is about 80% of their economy).

They get screwed on virtually everything they legally produce.

You don't see a line of North Americans trying to illegally get into Mexico or Ecuador hunting jobs.

Maybe we will just have to agree to disagree on some of this.

I read a biography about Che. He was no starving Indian. He was a college educated physician, raised in the city. Nor is your subcomandante Marcos, the current defender of the Indians in Chiapas.

I am not saying Indians are stupid. I recognize and value their intelligence. I have wirtten essay on the subject for Christ's sake.

But our cultures clashed and they lost and they are having to compete in our world now.

There may come a day after our empire collapses that they get the upper hand. Lord knows they deserve a break.

Just the facts

Don,

You forget about the Mayan, Aztec and Inca empires. I forgot to mention them. And, after all, aren't we all just tourists whenever we venture outside of our neighborhoods? Isn't that what we are being sold as the global economy -- black market included?

There's far more history, culture and future in South America than you seem to want to admit, from what I can see. Their civilizations stretch back thousands of years, far longer than the Anglo boot that stomped its righteous WASP footprint down in North America in the 1600s -- or even that of the Spaniards in the 1400s.

So I wouldn't count "them" out, or "us" in, just yet.

And I know where Spanish came from -- Latin, the Romans, remember ... a Romance language, one of five (four hailing from countries that also built empires at one time. English was a barbarous tongue for centuries until it was cultured by Latin and later popularized with Great Britain's rise to empire status. See the pattern? Languages, like empires, come and go -- history prevails.

Your ancestors once pounded hides out on rocks, and your decendants may well do the same, so how do you know who "won" if that is your measure?

So don't confuse the trees (your life) for the forest (the history of civilization), please, at least in the context of talking about a "clash of cultures" and "our world."

In terms of your opinion, that's cool. But in terms of facts, I don't see wiggle room here.

Feeding the spirit of a people

One other point Don raises that does merit further discussion is the issue of hunger. Clearly, he is right in saying that malnutrition can affect child development and cognitive skills. Those are the facts. However, they are reversable conditions if living conditions are improved. And how do you improve living conditions unless you force governments and folks of means to share the wealth? That is the best argument I know for democracy and self-determination.

But poverty is not isolated to South America, or to any particular ethnic group. Poverty is a worldwide problem that I argue is a matter of socioeconomics and class. And just for the record, we have plenty of it in our own backyard, despite our often patronizing attitude toward Third World nations.

Poverty and lack of food are the primary reasons why malnutrition occurs in the United States. Ten percent of all members of low income households do not always have enough healthful food to eat, and malnutrition affects one in four elderly Americans. -- Gale Encyclopedia of Medicine

That's pretty frigtening, and an indication that the struggle is not limited to the so-called Third World. If the richest nation on earth allows malnutrition to occur among its own people, then clearly we have a distribution of wealth problem that needs addressing on a global scale.

Why are so many folks south of the border trying to get to the states, Don asks? Because they are simply following the trail of resource the robber barrons of capitalism have pilfered from their lands -- including the land itself in many cases.

So in staying with the facts, we can't deny that malnutrition is a condition that must be addressed to have a truly participatory society. But we have to take the race card out of the equation, and recognize it for what it is: oppression of the many by the few for the benefit of the few; it's a classic symptom of a class-based society that can only be remedied, in my view, by real democracy.

But to cast such a wide net, and assume that most or all of the indigenous peoples of the world are malnourished and therefore incapable of exercising democracy, is way over the top. They are very capable as a group of producing their own leaders (both formally educated or otherwise intelligent) and of winning back their rights through collective action.

If that were not the case, then the logical extension of the argument would be that African Americans (who endured centuries of malnutrition under slavery) would not be capable as a people of exercising democracy. That has always been the big lie. The truth is that you can't measure the human spirit in food groups. African Americans overcame slavery despite hunger, oppression and a lack of military might. They remain oppressed to this day in this country to be sure, but against all odds, they did beat slavery into the ground. And who would argue that as a community they have not advanced democracy for all of us in this country through their struggles over the years, including the Civil Rights movement?

And please don't argue that white men fought a civil war to free the slaves, because we all know that war was fought primarily due to economics, with African Americans being the "commodity" at issue. The only reason African Americans have lifted their plight in this country, and the only reason to this day, is because they are a resilient, creative, courageous people who have acted as a community, a participatory society, in the true sense in uniting against their oppressors. There are always exceptions, and corrupt leadership will exploit that to make it appear as though the exception is the norm, but they do so at their own peril in the long run:

Time is on the side of the oppressed today, it's against the oppressor. Truth is on the side of the oppressed today, it's against the oppressor. You don't need anything else. -- Malcolm X

That kind of leadership scares closet racists and corrupt oligarchs, the "upity Black man," and I tell you the same thing scares them now when they look out over their "world conquests" and see other communities rising up and demanding to be fed, both with food and democracy.

I agree

A big black girl once insisted that I was a racist. I denied it wholeheartedly. but she continued to insist.

Then she proved her point. She asked me out on a date.

I come from the same background as Dubya. But I am trying.

Peace brother.

When is too much struggle a detriment?

I'm reminded of the story of the old woman who took in the 'crack babies.'  She said that if you can give a child, a roof over their heads, enough food, and love -- for the first few years -- that child will work diligently to have those things for the rest of their lives.

So, said another way -- if a person learns what happiness is - a home, adequate food, and love -- a more stable life follows.

And said another way - if a very young child is hungry, homeless and without love, they can go all their lives not knowing what they need. The striving to find what they have never known, is not good for the human spirit, or the spirit of a society if too many of the lost are roaming about.

That said - poverty that keeps people from the basics is detrimental. While some may maintain a normal IQ on the barest of nutrition -- what happens if they still feel stupid? Smart people give up everyday.

Struggle can make a person strong, but as the saying goes, sometimes a straw can break a camel's back.

The poor can sing a song, and be human -- but starvation kills over time.

We need positive and negative stress to build strength.

Aucas

Here is a site dedicated to the Indians we called Aucas when I lived in Ecuador, now known as the huaorani.

These people practice democracy among themselves and do a good job, however, the encroachment of the outside world threatens their existence. Over half were killed during the sixties.

They win a treaty that seemingly insures their survival and then...

Just like when the Indians of North America were given everything west of the Mississippi.

It's not their fault.

Hunger, Democracy & Cuba

I've been off-screen for a couple of days and am just back to read all the conversation on this thread.

To Don Henry's various points along the lines of (sorry, I'm paraphrasing here) "IQ is related to nutrition at an early age" (and that IQ is somehow related to ability to practice democracy) and related suggestions that basic human needs like food, shelter, education, etc., are prerequisites for democracy to function, I want to throw a rhetorical question into the mix:

On the one hand so many accuse the government of Cuba as being "undemocratic" or even "a dictatorship."

On the other hand, it is the only country in the hemisphere that has defeated hunger, provided shelter for all, taught virtually all of its citizens to read and write (and more), granted universal health care, including preventive and prenatal care, for all, not to mention day care, equal rights for women, etcetera...

By Don's standard, Cubans would be the most able to practice "democracy" on the planet.

Now, I have my opinions on all this (and they've led me to be more sympathetic with the Cuban project than many up North are willing to consider). But I ask, rhetorically: How can it be that the country repeatedly called "the least democratic" in the hemisphere by so many is also the country with the population most prepared (in health, education, nutrition, etc.) to practice it according to Don Henry's axiom?

I am not sure democracy

as we know it is the answer to the world's problems.

Like I said previously, it is just another system easily exploited by the predators that run this world.

I believe there are people born to be leaders, those of extraordinary vision. Democracy has on occasion identified these people and placed them in a postion of leadership, but it also has placed cruel scoundrels in the same halls. Don't forget--Hitler was elected. And a few others I can think of more recently.

We created a system, for instance that does not allow a president to serve over two terms, for fear that he might gain too much control. But what we get instead is a man that does not know how to do the job, and once we get a good one and he learns and is the most qualified, we get rid of him and replace him with another that doesn't know the job or isn't worth his own salt.

I remember benevolent kings or dictators, like the former king of Jordan for intance (Hussein?). And I wonder where our country would be today had Bill Clinton stayed in office. (Spare me the eggs. Clinton was a mixed bag. But a mixed bag is better than a bag full of...)

Also, it is possible for a group to practice democracy and do what is right for themselves and in the case of some small Indian tribe. They do know what they need.

The problem is that other groups come in and override them with larger numbers and overwhelming force, depriving them of the right to rule themselves.

So the problems isn't that Indians are incapable of making decisions for themselves. It is we that are not making good decisions on their behalf, being the more powerful and larger force. We are not corraling our own leaders who exploit them and their resources. And it is we who must confront our leaders and demand better treatment of these people.

What I am saying is that the probelm is us not them.

Cuba braces for 4 more years of U.S. sanctions

BY ALFREDO CORCHADO AND TRACEY EATON

The Dallas Morning News via The Kansas City Star

HAVANA - (KRT) - As George W. Bush begins his second term calling for an end to tyranny, Cuban officials are bracing for four more years of bruising economic sanctions from an American president they call The Emperor.

"For more than 40 years, all we've gotten from the United States is hostility and aggression," said Miguel Alvarez, an official with the National Assembly, Cuba's lawmaking body. "U.S. officials don't believe that their victory in the Cold War will be complete without the fall of the Cuban government."

American efforts to topple Fidel Castro have cost U.S. taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars over the last decade. Last summer the Bush administration enacted new measures aimed at crippling the Cuban economy. Whether they are working remains a matter of debate...

The ironies of 'democracy'

Cuba has always fascinated me, and because of the folks I've hung out with over time, I tend to be more sympathetic to what Al calls the "project" as well.

Now I don't whitewash the problems there and do think democracy is an unfinished experiment in Cuba as well.

But I wonder how the country would progress absent the long shadow of the United States extending over it's every move. It's not like Cuba is going to take over the world. I also don't buy any argument that Castro somehow would open Cuba up as a staging ground for evil deeds against its Yankee neighbor. That assumes Castro is somehow willing to sacrifice his homeland for the benefit of a foreign interest. Why would he have bothered with a revolution in the first place then?

If Cuba didn't feel threatened by the United States, I think we wouldn't be threatened by Cuba. But then there's the matter of all that upper-class resentment against his revolution.

A normalizing of relations with Cuba and the United States would be the one test of the veracity of the Cuban experiment. If Cuba didn't have to deal with the still continuing cold war with the United States, maybe it would have the opportunity to deal with itself better.

Anyway, the developing police state in this country has leveled the playing ground in terms of any argument that Cuba is anti-democratic in the way it protects its governmental structure. What's the difference between Castro unilateraly throwing someone in jail because he poses a threat to Cuban national security and the powers now claimed by our own president to do the same?

I find it ironic that while the Cuba-phobes decry the lack of democracy in that land, our own goverment is exercising a particularly brutal form of anti-democratic behavior in  Guantanamo Bay.

But then life is full of such ironies.

 

Say it Plain

I bought and am reading a book which also contains two cds of recorded speeches made by black activists in this country.

In it, I cam across a speech by Stokely Carmichael. And then I found the speech on the Internet.

Here's a link. And an excerpt:

...In order to understand white supremacy we must dismiss the fallacious notion that white people can give anybody his freedom. A man is born free. You may enslave a man after he is born free, and that is in fact what this country does. It enslaves blacks after they’re born. The only thing white people can do is stop denying black people their freedom.

I maintain that every civil rights bill in this country was passed for white people, not for black people. For example, I am black. I know that. I also know that while I am black I am a human being. Therefore I have the right to go into any public place. White people don’t know that. Every time I tried to go into a public place they stopped me. So some boys had to write a bill to tell that white man, "He’s a human being; don’t stop him." That bill was for the white man, not for me. I knew I could vote all the time and that it wasn’t a privilege but my right. Every time I tried I was shot, killed or jailed, beaten or economically deprived. So somebody had to write a bill to tell white people, "When a black man comes to vote, don’t bother him." That bill was for white people. I know I can live anyplace I want to live. It is white people across this country who are incapable o fallowing me to live where I want. You need a civil rights bill, not me. The failure of the civil rights bill isn’t because of Black Power or because of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee or because of the rebellions that are occurring in the major cities. That failure is due to the white’s incapacity to deal with their own problems inside their own communities.

And so in a sense we must ask, How is it that black people move? And what do we do? But the question in a much greater sense is, How can white people who are the majority, and who are responsible for making democracy work, make it work? They have never made democracy work, be it inside the United States, Vietnam, South Africa, the Philippines, South America, Puerto Rico, or wherever America has been. We not only condemn the country for what it has done internally, but we must condemn it for what it does externally. We see this country trying to rule the world, and someone must stand up and start articulating that this country is not God, and that it cannot rule the world.

The white supremacist attitude, which you have either consciously or subconsciously, is running rampant through society today. For example, missionaries were sent to Africa with the attitude that blacks were automatically inferior. As a matter of fact, the first act the missionaries did when they got to Africa was to make us cover up our bodies, because they said it got them excited. We couldn’t go bare-breasted any more because they got excited! When the missionaries came to civilize us because we were uncivilized, to educate us because we were uneducated, and to give us some literate studies because we were illiterate, they charged a price. The missionaries came with the Bible, and we had the land: When they left, they had the land, and we still have the Bible. That’s been the rationalization for Western civilization as it moves across the world–stealing, plundering, and raping everybody in its path. Their one rationalization is that the rest of the world is uncivilized and they are in fact civilized.

But the West is un-civ-i-lized. And that still runs on today, you see, because now we have "modern-day missionaries," and they come into our ghettos–they Head Start, Upward Lift, Bootstrap, and Upward Bound us into white society. They don’t want to face the real problem. A man is poor for one reason and one reason only–he does not have money. If you want to get rid of poverty, you give people money. And you ought not tell me about people who don’t work, and that you can’t give people money if they don’t work, because if that were true, you’d have to start stopping Rockefeller, Kennedy, Lyndon Baines Johnson, Lady Bird Johnson, the whole off Standard Oil, the Gulf Corporation, all of them, including probably a large number of the board of trustees of this university. The question, then, is not whether or not one can work; it’s Who has power to make his or her acts legitimate? That is all. In his country that power is invested in the hands of white people, and it makes their acts legitimate...

another excerpt

This country assumes that if someone is poor, they are poor because of their own individual blight, or because they weren’t born on the right side of town, or they had too many children, or went in the army too early, or because their father was a drunk, or they didn’t care about school–they made a mistake. That’s a lot of nonsense. Poverty is well calculated in this country, and the reason why the poverty program won’t work is because the calculators of poverty are administering it.

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