Legalization? Part II
For instance, right now a coffee grower in Central or South America does not make enough money to support a decent lifestyle. That cup of expensive brew you pay $3 for in a Starbucks puts less than a penny into the hands of the poor man that raised the beans. Not only raised the beans but picked each one by hand and dried them on mats in areas where it rains a lot. This often entails running out to wrap them up when it showers and then putting them out again when the sun comes out. Too many wet days can mean mold.
Modernization has brought machines to dry the beans this but many growers do not have access to such and if they do, some rich conglomeration of capitalists just screws them a little more.
So, from the perspective of a peon producer, legalizing drugs will just mean getting screwed out of whatever money they make in the only truly free market economy left on the earth.
Heres an article I wrote about farming in Texas at the Agonist and the way big corporations have totally taken over the business. These corporations are international in nature and loyal to no one except themselves and the greed that motivates them. Governments do their bidding.
Take Cargill for example. Heres a list of the countries in which they operate:
Argentina
El Salvador
Malaysia
South Africa
Australia
Finland
Mexico
Spain
Austria
France
Morocco
Sweden
Belgium
Germany
Netherlands
Switzerland
Bolivia
Greece
Nicaragua
Tanzania
Brazil
Guatemala
Nigeria
Thailand
Bulgaria
Honduras
Pakistan
Turkey
Canada
Hungary
Paraguay
Ukraine
Chile
India
Peru
United Kingdom
China
Indonesia
Philippines
United States of America
Colombia
Ireland
Poland
Venezuela
Costa Rica
Italy
Portugal
Viet Nam
Côte d'Ivoire
Japan
Republic of Korea
Zimbabwe
Denmark
Kazakhstan
Romania
Dominican Republic
Kenya
Russian Federation
Egypt
Lithuania
Singapore
Cargill totally dominates the feed grain market here in Texas and the business of raising turkeys for example. They own all the slaughter facilities and have all the markets sewn up. So if you want to raise turkeys, you do it for them or not at all.
Do you think we really want to turn over the production of coca to groups like these? Because thats what youre talking about when you say legalization. (Thats how I see it anyway.)
We need to address the worldwide problem of the unfair distribution of wealth. And until this is done, the forces that drive people to produce illegal substances will continue.
We need to stop corporate and government sanctioned discrimination of people over matters of race and culture. Legal slavery.
When we say words like freedom, they have to mean something. Free to do what? Be a slave for a bunch of rich consumers in a far away land? To live in abject poverty while others make billions of dollars off of your efforts?
Then the issue of the effect these drugs have on those that use them has to be considered. No sense rehashing that argument, but I can say this. No one really knows for sure what effect total legalization of hard drugs would have on our society.
In Holland, the legalization of marijuana worked well. But the parks where the use of hard drugs were allowed are portraits of a type of hell on earth, with skeletal sick people killing themselves, one shot at a time.
I dont want to be a part of that.
Legalization of drugs cannot be addressed independent of lots of other issues facing this world.
Should it be done without addressing these other issues, I doubt you are going to like the results.


expert opinion of another
Submitted on February 7th, 2005 by Don Henry Ford Jr.don
nice. but still i'm for legalization since i think the consequences are less damaging than the current situation. and i think people will always use drugs because urban industrial civilization creates stress.
one little note: agri business may be an ugly face of capitalism. but it is also ecologically lethal.
and one more little note: drugs are now a government business. the enormous apparatus dependent on fighting drugs and imprisoning people lobbies for the drug laws. no one cares about skeletal people roaming a park because drug use has never been examined as public health issue but simply as a crime. and it must remain a crime in order for our law enforcement industry to have sufficient product.
Drug Prohibition is Used to Keep Wealth Unfair
Submitted on February 7th, 2005 by Benjamin MelançonThat's the battle here. But if you have a more direct tactic to bring fairness to the world economy than trying to take some of the pressure of the U.S.-imposed drug war off those fighting for fairness most effectively -- the people and social movements of Latin America -- I'm on board with that, too. Let me know.
mass incarceration and giant agribusiness
Submitted on February 8th, 2005 by Andrew Grice (not verified)Don Henry Ford Jr. asks "Do you think we really want to turn over the production of coca to groups like these? Because thats what youre talking about when you say legalization. (Thats how I see it anyway.)"
No, I wouldn't want that anymore than I want the likes of Cagrill and Archer Daniels Midland having anything to do with the global food supply. Their impact on global health, environment and living standards is beyond deplorable. But even if ADM were to become "The Coca Market to The World," it would still be preferable to global prohibition. And at least without the repression, incarceration and other traumas inflicted on people through prohibition, we might have a better shot taking on the likes of Cagill and ADM.
Ben Melançon (and this time I'm spelling it right, thank you) is onto something extremely important about the politics of the United States. Prohibition is the engine of mass incarceration. Mass incarceration itself is a serious form of political repression, but no matter the degree to which it is used for repression at a given time, its infrastructure of prisons, probation and parole apparatus serve as a ready reserve to ratchet up political repression in the future.
At that time in the 1960s when African Americans were perceived as a distinct revolutionary threat, the United States had no ready made infrastructure to lock up hundreds of thousands of political prisoners. Even as late as the early 1980s when the Reagan administration pondered what to do about domestic opposition to an invasion of Nicaragua, they had to plan the construction of temporary camps. But now that they've got so many hundreds of thousands of prisoners who could be quickly and safely released, that's a lot of prison bed space should the state ever need it for targeted political repression.
Not that a lack of prison bed space did anything to slow the destruction of the Black Panthers through the FBI's notorious COINTELPRO program of surveillance, dirty tricks, frame-ups and various forms of assassination. There are still Panthers in jail from the politicized prosecutions of that era. One only need look at the extra-legal methods used to keep Veronza Bowers Jr. in prison (who fortunately appears slated for release later this month) to get an idea of how the "criminal justice" system feels even 30 years later.
fan mail
Submitted on February 8th, 2005 by Don Henry Ford Jr.Don Henry Ford supports the war on drugs because, "Make no mistake about it. Total legalization of cocaine and heroin is akin to letting people walk around with loaded automatic weapons...."
That statement hysterical nonsense. Here are the facts. Cocaine and heroin were legal and widely available in the U.S. untill 1914. And millions of people were not running around murdering each other. Opiates and cocaine are valuable medicines which have served mankind throughout history. These plant drugs are also the safest drugs. They have been safely produced and consumed for hundreds of years.
Currently, millions of people such as doctors, medical technicians, pharmacists, and licensed producers have legal access to these drugs and,
they do not run around murdering people.
The people who do run around with automatic weapons are government drug fighters who routinely murder peasant farmers all over the planet for the "crime" of producing plant medicines. These "drug free" drug fighters also poison the land, water, and families of these farmers. Mr. Ford and his fellow illegalizers such as Bush, Cheney, Asscraft, etc. are the people who authorize these murders, assaults, and prisons. As a result of illegalization, all of these murders are legal. That is what the law is all about, guns, violence, prisons, and legalized murder.
All professional killers such as soldiers who work for governments are all tested to insure that they are "drug free". Likewise, the Islam "extremeists" who kill with automatic weapons are also "drug free". They are all illegalizers like Ford, Bush, etc. In fact, the U.S. government gave millions of dollars to the Taliban for their drug wars.
The war on drugs is a lie. In fact, it is a war against people. It is people, not drugs, who are being murdered, assauled, robbed, and imprisoned. And, all this state-sponsored terrorism is legal. It is authorized by the
illegalizers.
Mr. Ford and his fellow illegalizers need to be informed that adults who refuse to be told what they may eat, drink, smoke, or otherwise ingest are not criminals anymore than those who refuse to be told what they may read, write, think, or believe. Mr. Ford does not have the right to illegalize drug users anymore than the Nazis had the right to illegalize the Jews.
It is the Drug fighters and illegalizers who are the criminals because they kill, assault, rob, and arrest peaceful human beings. They are also
terrorists because they target civilians.
I have a few questions for Mr. Ford. Suppose that a heavily armed gang attacked you, threw you to the ground, pushed your face into the pavement, pointed guns at your head, and blew your head off if you resisted, just because they did not approve of your diet -- would you say
that they were violent criminals or would you conclude that you were the violent criminal?
Suppose that same gang kicked down your door, invaded and ransacked your home, terrorized your family, stole your property, and murdered anyone who resisted, just because some people did not approve of what you chose to eat drink or smoke -- would you conclude that your family
were the criminals?
If you were given a taste of your own medicine, would you be cured of your violence, ignorance, and inhumanity?
Regarding the drugs that he would allow, Mr. Ford needs to be informed that the adult population of this planet are not children and heis not
their father. They do not want, seek, or need his permisssion to do anything.
In any case, Mr. Ford has it backwards. It is the drug fighters who are running around with guns destroying people's lives.
Being a democracy
Submitted on February 8th, 2005 by Don Henry Ford Jr.A little clarification is in order here
Submitted on February 8th, 2005 by Don Henry Ford Jr.Second. I am in favor in some form of legalization (decriminalization).
Third. I don't have all the answers. We are practicing democracy here--an exchange of ideas with hopes of making this world a better place. These are complex issues we're dealing with and this thing called the war on drugs is only one piece of many that work in concert to enslave and control the people of this world. It's one thing to simply denounce the war on drugs and another to come up with viable alternatives.
And last. Don't ever accuse me of being part of bush's program if you're not ready to trade licks. I consider them fighting words.
An excerpt from The Texas Observer
Submitted on February 8th, 2005 by Don Henry Ford Jr.mental exercise
Submitted on February 9th, 2005 by Don Henry Ford Jr.How do you envision legalization working? How would the product be distributed? Could anyone sell them? Would you place restrictions related to age? What about driving under the influence, or using drugs on the job where performance affects others?
What about those that "spike" the punch at a prom? Would this be a crime?
What about health issues related to the use of drugs. Should the state pick up these expenses?
Would you place measures related to concentration on the products to make it more difficult for someone to kill themselves?
All of these questions (and more) will have to be answered before you have a snowball's chance in hell to sell legalization to those that write our laws. (Or at least I would hope so.)
more legalization debate
Submitted on February 9th, 2005 by Andrew Grice (not verified)Under prohibition, drugs like heroin and cocaine are often called "controlled substances." That's a terrible misnomer. Prohibition can never eliminate drug use or the drug trade. Never has and never will. Instead, it drives the drug trade underground into black market channels over which no legal authority can exert any control whatsoever. Society demands that drugs be controlled, but prohibition causes the exact opposite.
Is it something in our culture that fosters this idea that drug legalization would automatically mean a completely unregulated drug trade? Why should drug legalization mean television ads promoting crack cocaine sales at the 7-11? It's absurd because it's such an obviously bad idea. But it should be just as obvious that legalization of drugs will never come about like that. And it should be obvious, if we look at it carefully, that some form of regulated legalization is really the only way can ever regain control over these so-called "controlled substances."
"How do you envision legalization working? How would the product be distributed? Could anyone sell them? Would you place restrictions related to age? What about driving under the influence, or using drugs on the job where performance affects others?"
There are any number of ways it could be done. And it wouldn't have to be done the same way in every place, or even the same way for every drug. Product could be distributed through mail order, pharmacies, specially licensed stores, liquor stores, government run monopoly stores or special clinics - just to name a few ideas. But this is part of the beauty of legalization - unlike with the black market of prohibition, communities would actually have the power to decide how drugs are sold and by who.
Laws against driving or operating dangerous equipment under the influence of impairment causing drugs would remain. Who would change them? If anything such laws would probably become easier to enforce.
"What about those that "spike" the punch at a prom? Would this be a crime?"
Isn't that a crime now? Drugging people without their knowledge is a crime. And getting underage people high or drunk even with their knowledge is a crime throughout the United States. I don't see why legalization would change this. In a country so generally repressive toward its own youth as the United States, I'd have a hard time imagining drugs being legalized without some form of age restriction.
"What about health issues related to the use of drugs. Should the state pick up these expenses?"
What about the health issues related to fast food and obesity? Should the state pick up those costs? I'm strongly in favor of a national health care system that provides free health care for everybody regardless of what may have caused their illness. In the US, giving everybody full medicaid and scrapping the private insurance system makes perfect sense to me. But I understand a lot of people wont agree, so I'll suggest this:
Tax drugs and you could raise huge sums of money. This money would not only cover drug related medical bills but could also fully fund voluntary treatment programs so addicts who make the decision to enter a program can do so immediately - instead of having to wait several weeks or months as the current system usually requires.
"Would you place measures related to concentration on the products to make it more difficult for someone to kill themselves?"
Sure. For example, with heroin, merely assuring addicts an uncontaminated product at consistent strength would prevent many accidental overdose deaths.
Don, may I turn this question around? If drugs were to be legalized this year whether you liked it or not; what kind of regulations would you like to see?
OK
Submitted on February 10th, 2005 by Don Henry Ford Jr.I would place additional taxes on alcohol and tobacco to cover the costs these drugs have on our society.
I would make cocaine available in solution only--drinks like sodas or teas or the raw leaf, but having cocaine hcl would remain a crime unless administered from a physician.
I'd make opiates availabe in non-injectable forms as well--cough syrups and the like. But no concentrated heroin in injectable form unless administered by a doctor.
But I would also give employers the right to fire people that use these substances if they wish and would set up laws regarding the use of these substances while in operation of a vehicle or while doing a job where the safey of others must be considered.
I would heavily tax all of these substances and encourage sobriety.
I would give an income tax rebate for those that enter voluntary testing programs to prove sobriety and perhaps even go so far as to encourage insurance companies to give rebates to those that do so.
I would eliminate jail time for simple possession of the distillates but impose fines. For those caught selling them I would impose heavy fines and in severe or repeat offenses, prison.
But prison would mean solitary confinement in the hole--brief and intense punishment. No play day bs like we now have. No rec. No tv. Just a 5X9 in total isolation.
And let me tell you from experience. That is no fun.
And then
Submitted on February 10th, 2005 by Don Henry Ford Jr.Taxing consumption
Submitted on February 20th, 2005 by Paul SilvesterSo I am concerned if we just hand over yet more potential sources of taxable revenue for our goverments to then bleed dry to fund their global and domestic disasters.
What ever corner you turn, there is another wall!!
Burden of proof
Submitted on February 9th, 2005 by Bill ConroyLock 'em up and throw away the key, or let them rot in their own desparation on the streets. Is that the answer? Why should the burden of proof be on those who favor ending prohibition?
Why don't the prohibitionists have the burden of proof in defending the mess that's been created under their rules?
By the way, how do we handle the issues you raise in the case of legalized, mass-marketed drugs, such as alcohol, tobacco, coffee and presciption pills?
Should we prohibit all those products as well with the mistaken notion that will somehow make things better? Should we go back to circa 1920s and the days of Al Capone, and politicians on the bootleggers' payrolls, and Valentine's Day massacres ... wait, isn't that kind of where we are already at?
No, I don't agree that anyone has to prove ending prohibition is a utopia; we just have to show that it will be an improvement over maintaining prohibition. If it stems the AIDs crisis in some small way, then that is an improvement. If we hinder the further development of a massive prison-industrial complex, then that is an improvement. If we create better addiction-treatment services that allow people to come forward for help without fear of reprisal, then that is an improvement, and on and on....
As I see it, all the problems you suggest must be solved in the wake of ending prohibition are with us now, and need addressing, even if prohibition continues ....
You can continue to consider yourself a pragmatist on this matter, but then you also have to accept the pragmatic reality that prohibition didn't work in the 1920s, and there is little evidence that it is working today, a century later.
Sometimes, pragmatism takes a while to sink in.
Money laundering is Achilles heel of prohibition
Submitted on February 12th, 2005 by Bill ConroyThere would be no narco-trafficking, or cartels, if drug organizations couldnt convert their illicit profits into clean money and that requires money laundering and the participation of the banking system.
After all, it is the laundered profits of the drug trafficking trade that are used to pad the lifestyles of the rich businessmen who control the black market, to buy political influence in high places, and to further fuel the deadly corruption of the drug trade. Why not kill the snake at the head by taking down crooked banking institutions, before the illicit proceeds are swallowed up by the narco serpent?
That does seem to make sense, right? But why then are U.S. banks seemingly exempt from prosecution when it comes to money laundering? When is the last time you heard of a major U.S. bank being indicted for assisting narco-traffickers in cleaning up their ill-gotten gains? Are we to believe that the laundering of drug profits only occurs at banks in other countries?
Or is there a double standard at play here, one that betrays the integrity of the power brokers who claim to be committed to prohibition?
Charles Intriago, a former federal prosecutor and publisher of the subscription-only newsletter Money Laundering Alert, offers us some insight into that very question in a recent column he penned for his publication:
And the Bell Savings indictment had nothing to do with the war on drugs, but rather was a fall-out of the rampant corruption of the S&L crisis of the late 1980s.
Intriagos analysis makes it clear that there is very little likelihood that a U.S. bank will face criminal prosecution for laundering drug money. At worst, some scapegoat will be found within the banks middle management to take the fall, and the lender itself will get a pat on the back from the U.S. government for a job well done.
So what does this tell you about how Washington has decided to fight the war on drugs? All we need to know.
Narcodollars Primer on Narco News
Submitted on February 13th, 2005 by Joel WiensI agree Bill
Submitted on February 13th, 2005 by Don Henry Ford Jr.