Live Blogging the Palin-Biden Debate

By Al Giordano

Or will it be the Palin v. Palin debate?

And does Patty Solis Doyle have the remote control electro-shock collar tested and working around Biden's neck?

Two of the people on stage - moderator Gwen Ifill and Governor Palin - will be in casts! (Psssst: Hey, Gwen, Break a leg! See ya at the cast party afterwards!)

All kidding aside, tonight is all about whether Governor Palin can convince 51 percent of Americans that she's capable of being commander in chief.

Biden - whether they like him or agree with him or not - has nothing he has to prove on that point. Even if Jumpin' Joe makes one or more of his famous gaffes, he's always been kind of adorable when that happens; his errors don't tend to be hateful or malicious. People forgive him, sometimes even identify with him, for them.

But one serious misstep by Palin, and it will lead to widespread questioning of McCain's judgment.

He's the one on trial tonight, not his trainee.

Make your predictions and place your bets! The freak show starts in ten minutes!

Update 9:04 p.m.: Mic caught "Hey, can I call you Joe?" as the nominees shook hands. Biden opening statement goes first: "Governor, it's a pleasure to meet you and a pleasure to be with you at this debate."

9:23 p.m.: I'm noticing a trend on the CNN focus group opinion dial-o-meter: When Biden speaks about economic policy, women lo ve what he's saying, whereas men go flat. Interesting how a gender gap forms, early in the debate, in response to this debate opposite the gender of the person speaking.

9:44 p.m.: The CNN focus group meter (of "undecided" voters in Ohio) shows a vast opposition to the war in Iraq. It's the first issue that shows a clear divergence in the responses to each candidate. Interesting...

10:03 p.m.: "Bosniacs!" (Joe's first adorable gaffe of the debate!)

10:18 p.m.: Oops. "Bosniaks" isn't a gaffe (except that calling it a gaffe now is my gaffe - I hope I have Biden adorability while saying it!)

10:22 p.m.: Biden just did an anti-gaffe! He teared up worrying about his kid in the war, talking about being a single dad. The meters - male and female - went to maximum. That's the part of the debate that the media will play over and over again.

Post Debate Update: The first hard data is in:

CBS NEWS/KNOWLEDGE NETWORKS POLL
(Uncommitted Voters who watched the debate)

46% of uncommitted voters who watched the debate tonight thought Joe Biden was the winner. 21% thought Sarah Palin won, 33% thought it was a draw... 98% after the debate saw [Biden] as knowledgeable (79% before the debate). 

Now, don't the media talking heads look (again) like the morons they are?

Update II: More hard data:

CNN/OPINION RESEARCH CORPORATION POLL

DEBATE WATCHERS

Who Did the Best Job In the Debate?

Biden      51%

Palin      36%

QUESTION Regardless of which candidate you happen to support, who do you think did the best job in the debate - Joe Biden or Sarah Palin?

Interesting, no?

Update III: Here's where he earned his nomination...

 

 

Comments

TPM has five minutes of

TPM has five minutes of Palin's greatest hits. Can I make it through 90?

Topics?

I haven't been able to find what this damn debate topics are? Anyone?  Maybe just ask her to name the capitals of each state and a bonus question the state flower?

prediction

I'll give you my prediction I gave the comcast forums earlier.  Palin make at least three dumb statements, Biden will make at least one gaffe.  Somewhere along the line Palin will realize she is losing, run back stage and retrieve her secret weapon, a moose.  She will proceed to shoot the moose on live television and field dress in record time.  Ifill will be speechless, the audience will be appalled, and John McCain will proclaim it a "victory" tomorrow on Morning Joe.

I am not watching

I also pedict that she will do well enough for this debate to be declared a turning point  by the idiots in the traditional media.

I think we're going to raise a lot of money tonight for Obama

Palin is good at getting folks to reach for their wallets.

"Can I call you, Joe? Oh,

"Can I call you, Joe? Oh, great!!"

Biden can do a lot more good tonight than Palin

while it's generally assumed in the media and the blogosphere that everyone and their hamster knows Joe Biden, that is far from the case. Most undecideds and many soft Obama supporters don't really have any impression of him, and they're going in tonight expecting a generic boring old white guy who is smarter than Palin.

 

What they're not expecting is a witty, charming pol with more fire in his belly than a blast furnace. Palin may 'survive' and not exacerbate McCain's free fall, but Biden has a much bigger opportunity to actually surprise people and solidify those Obama numbers. Contrary to what the media would have us believe, Palin is not debating a wall. She's debating Joe Biden, and as much the media wants to ignore him (MSNBC actually declared him irrelevant today), he won't let them and the possibility of a brilliant "A noun, a verb, and 9/11" quip far exceeds that of a gaffe. People forget that Biden smoked the other candidates in the primary debates. This is his element and if Palin thinks surviving is enough, she's in for a brutal surprise.

We are Fun-Da-Mentals!

Half Baked just told us we were!

it's pretty awful

so far.  she really really wants two Mavericks in the White House.  Does it have a garage?

I feel bad for Biden

It's like a disastrous blind date where you are counting the minutes until you can get out the door.  She's talking about 'Meracans hurtin' and we can learn a "heck of a lot" about blah blah,

darn right. folksy talk.  blah blah.  I'm thinking definitely bipolar.  (and she would think I was telling her that she is attracted to female bears)

Can the debatee set the

Can the debatee set the rules?

If my kid tried that in the classroom, he'd be sent to the office.

Hugs to Joe

As he tries not to hit her off the stage. Ahhh there he goes. She did not answer the question.

Did the governor

run out of dialog already?

The same coaches as McCain told her to repeat, repeat, repeat.

"Patriotic is to get out of the way of private interests."

Interseting, the debate,

Interseting, the debate, despite the questions, keeps turning to taxes. I suspect that's by design on one side, similar to the last debate. Hmmm

 

[but joe does know taxes ... from the blue collar point of view]

One good thing

Joe is getting to hit down all the McCain plan(s).

McCain's Healthcare Plan

That's the ultimate bridge to nowhere.

Word diarrea again

The woman makes me need to scratch places I can't reach.

oh dear

Like Joe Biden I don't even know where to start. She lost me when she winked at the camera. Directly at the camera. Am still recovering.

"Rear that head of abuse"

Love it. Love it. Love it.

Did you guys know

that there was corruption and greed on Wall Street?!?!  And it has a head that rears too?  OMG.  This woman could not be more ignorant if she lived in an igloo with no communication with the rest of the world for the past 40 years.  At best, she has read only People and Us magazine for the past 10.  And whatever the name of the NRA magazine is.

An alternate take on Biden...

I'm a huge fan of Biden's gaffes. Seriously, they're enjoyable in a certain way - every Democrat I know trades them around with glee. They're fond of Biden. They add a goofy element of fun to the ticket. And they add some warmth to the (reputedly) cool Obama. And they're never mean.

And you know, after eight years of Cheney, some yucks with the Dems' fave crazy uncle Joe is a net positive, in my view. Plus, he's got real policy chops. I know a lot of libs and big-time change-maniacs hated the choice, but I think it's worked beautifully.

He'll take it easy tonight, and he should. Though a friendly gaffe would be make it more interesting!

Eyes on the Camera

She does know how to talk to a camera. You can tell she's been a broadcaster. That's a weapon, if only in this medium, in this type of broadcast.

Governor...

Please put the endings on your words...

as a former English teacher and communications specialist, the way she leaves out the ends of her words drives me crazy!

Is that some kind of dialect?

 

waterprise2 AKA Pam

Liberal with a Capital L!

 

Huh?

America leads against climate change?

I feel like I'm watching a

I feel like I'm watching a character from Alice in Wonderland:

The Mock Turtle
Reeling and Writhing, of course, to begin with, and then the different branches of arithmetic -- Ambition, Distraction, Uglification, and Derision.

 

Joe's doing well

If you don't understand the cause you can't understand the solution.

Climate change

That was very cool! Gotta understand the cause in order to figure out the solution! Biden is staying very focussed. Palin is moving off topic.

Theory All Over the Place

On optics, Palin is coming across well.  But gawd -- what is the McCain/Palin theory - more regulation or government out of control?  Are they populists or are they for the wealthy? 

I find it ick that Palin is saying "Barack".

Wind her up and hear the bromides, spin and facial movements that present like spunk. It is quite amazing. She is the closest thing we have seen to date to a "virtual candidate".   

 

 

Going by teh idiotic worms at the bottom,

looks like women are being more sensible and teh stoopid men are thinking with their you-know-what.

amk

slows speech

Am I correct in my observation the when Palin looked at Biden and addressed him sle slowed her speech and spoke each word distinctly like he was slow or hard of hearing. 

Nucular!

d-oh! She said Nucular!

Same sex

Biden, out of the park on same sex relationship! No hesitation. Awesome.

Tolerant?

Some of my best friends are gay?

 

waterprise2 AKA Pam

Liberal with a Capital L!

 

Eye Rack?

where's that?

"John"

Ooh, now Biden's started calling McCain "John."  More effective even than her callin Obama "Barack."

Same Ol', Same Ol'...

Why are we going over the same stuff over and over and over?

 

waterprise2 AKA Pam

Liberal with a Capital L!

 

Is it so hard...

...to say "nuclear" instead of "nucular?"  Dunno, maybe I'm old-fashioned and our language is changing?  Or, am I discriminating against learning disabilities?

She can say "Ahmadinejad"

but she can't say "Nuclear"

Muting Palin

I found my blood pressure going through the roof at the start of the debate, so I decided to mute it so I don't have to listen to Palin's whiny, grating, artificially folksy voice, and turned to CNN.  Now I'm so busy reading the closed captioning and watching the audience ticker-thingie that I don't have to look at her scary-pretty face.

They sure did a damned good job of prepping her.  Joe Six-Pack will be very, very impressed.  I expect to hear a lot of gushing from pundits on all points in the spectrum.

Ginnin up Gender

Gender is a very real issue. The gender issues in this election are fascinating.  A black man represents the most "feminine" outlook (stop a war, compromise, interconnectedness).  Many men respond well to Palin because she interacts first as a female.  Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, is somewhat beyond gender in terms of her public presentation or professional dealings. She interacts first as a professional.   When a woman interacts first as a female, this psychologically puts men at ease because they can fall back on traditional roles.  This is not sexual, per se, but keeps in tact comfortable gender roles.  

OMG

Too much looking back by Obama/Biden. Change is coming with McCain/Palin.

smile

Palin's smile is false. She is angry but smiling to cover.

Oy vey is meer.

John's answers on Lebanon were freakishly wonky.  I know what he's talking about (see title of post for a clue) but I doubt that a tenth of the viewing audience does.

Am I showing some moral weakness by loving the gender-separated CNN audience response thing?

Adorable

She keeps on smiling her face off during Biden's empassioned answers. Gosh darnit she's playing that cute game again! Is she going to get the "giggles"?

Too much...

Too much of a starry-eyed look from Gov. Palin?  I'm so biased, I don't know if I'm being too subjective to think that.  It seems strange to me.

Nucular

I have counted 7 times she has said "nucular"

Afghanistan is just so darn CUTE!

And we are building SCHOOLS there, y'all! For the sweet little democracy-loving brown children.

It's Obvious

 Joe Biden is a heck of a lot smarter than Bridget to Nowhere.

I thought it was a gaffe, too...

Bosniacs!

I love Joe Biden.

She's doing pretty well. Makes you wonder at the insanity of hiding her away so that every interview gets major attention.

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